Does EPP unnecessarily explicitly include slf4j.simple

[jonahgraham]

Eclipse Platform does not explicitly include slf4j.simple, but EPP does

packages/packages/org.eclipse.epp.package.cpp.product/epp.product

Line 287 in 5b66bb5

<plugin id="slf4j.simple"/>

It looks like slf4j.simple is indeed included and starts fine in platform:

$ find * -name slf4j.simple_\*
eclipse/plugins/slf4j.simple_2.0.17.jar

$ ./eclipse/eclipse -data data -consoleLog
WARNING: Using incubator modules: jdk.incubator.vector
Dec 08, 2025 10:16:38 AM org.apache.aries.spifly.BaseActivator log
INFO: Registered provider org.slf4j.simple.SimpleServiceProvider of service org.slf4j.spi.SLF4JServiceProvider in bundle slf4j.simple

Does that mean EPP is doing too much? Does that also mean we can break if a user starts with an EPP package that doesn't include m2e.logback and installs m2e.logback into it?

[merks]

Note that that there are also these:

• packages/packages/org.eclipse.epp.package.cpp.product/epp.product

  Line 76 in 5b66bb5

  <plugin id="slf4j.simple" autoStart="true" startLevel="2" />

• packages/packages/org.eclipse.epp.package.cpp.product/epp.product

  Line 27 in 5b66bb5

  -Dorg.slf4j.simpleLogger.defaultLogLevel=off

Logging frameworks do generally seem to cause no end of problems because there are so many and they keep changing in exciting new ways.