the current creationix/tedit readme is horrible/impossible to follow

[govpack]

there's gaps and things in the readme that don't match up
i suppose it's a compliment that i even bother to comment at all
on the VERY common case of the project having moved away it's readme
it's only that i REALLY wanted it to work that i was really annoyed that it didn't

Firstly the link:
https://github.com/creationix/tedit-app
redirects to...
https://github.com/creationix/tedit
(how does one do that redirect anyway?)
so any mention of "creationix/tedit-app" is wonky/shonky

Also there is no "chrome-app" folder in the creationix/tedit-app source
Also there is a "manifest.json" at tedit/build/app/chrome/manifest.json

when i have finished this, i will try
chrome --load-extension="blah/blah/blah/src/tedit/build/app/chrome/"
and see if that adds a local version (i'm not sure if a chrome app is
the same as chrome extension)

Also the images at
tedit/src/build/app/chrome/icons/icon-128.png
and app/atom etc, for me at least are corrupted and un-viewable

Here's a fun game to waste people's time,
try to find "Live Export to Disk" or "Live Mount Github Repo"
option in the tedit context menu....

making the following instructions from the readme impossible to follow...
........................................................
Right-Click on the in the new tree and select "Live Export to Disk".
Launch the pre-built version of Tedit and using the context menu (right-click) in the empty pane to the left, select "Live Mount Github Repo"

Right-Click on the chrome-app folder in the new tree and select "Live Export to Disk". etc
........................................................

[creationix]

Yes, sorry the README is out of date. Live Export to Disk is there near the bottom of your screenshot. The "Live Mount Github Repo" was renamed to "Clone Github Repo" when the behavior changed slightly to work offline.

It's all a pretty big mess. I had to stop working on tedit since I had to move to paying work to feed my family.

If you have interest in working on Tedit, I'll happily point you in the right direction and even help with code as I have time. The sad fact is I was trying to create a product I could support myself with and failed.

I still think the project has tremendous potential, but it's far from finished and is rather Alpha at this point. I used it as my primary development environment for over a year. It's usable once you learn the quirks and assuming you're doing JavaScript development (my new job is C and Lua mostly)

Many of the images you say are corrupt are probably just symlinks to the real images. I've never seen tedit have trouble viewing an image.

The github "redirect" is a new feature they added where if you rename a git repo, it will redirect from the old one. This is a very useful feature if you ask me, but I should have remembered to update the README.

[creationix]

I updated the README to have the correct repo to clone and the updated path of the chrome app version.

ad1c92c

[govpack]

thanks for updating that,

it's a massive win that you tried, making something useful/positive that didn't exist before is always a win.

it is sad and super annoying that that is the situation for the indy dev -- that an hourly rate is often much better ~ essentially doing something less useful for less people ` is backwards.

It's hard to compete with free, and that peculiar class of person "the software developer" is the LEAST likely to buy any software at all. I bought trace.gl and couple of years later that is now free (which is good because more people can use it) but what does that say about the model, and the secret about the app stores is that a lot of people are making LOTS of apps but very little money. I had thought that making an entire app store might be the way to go, but even Intel shut theirs down recently - AppUp "the biggest app store you never heard about".

http://venturebeat.com/2012/10/08/intel-appup-general-manager-quits/

And github fully intended to SELL atom, but it was too hard for them to come up with a price, and then look REAL bad to everyone working away on free software. So i'm not sure either if that leaves much room for the indi developer to make a living. A bigger bit of software to bigger business clients maybe. Free is too much a part of the net. DominicTarr went as far to say written software has no monetary value (only unwritten software). Lary Ellison, looking at this situation, said software was dead, yet it still acts as the machinery or orchestration for most of what happens in the modern business world, so who knows. I still don't understand how there's so much money in advertising i don't click on any of it.

i suspect tedit is brilliant,

• it opens VERY quickly (7x faster than atom or brackets which are so slow they are unusable)

• it's browser based web native

• best of all it automates a git (the hard parts) out of existence

  if you have made working with git as simple as [Ctrl]+[S] ~ after all git is just a way to save files that's great. When did saving a file get so hard?? When you started using git!! and now you need a "workflow" and some familiarity with the awful beast that generated 48,835 questions on stackoverflow ~ aka: pain, anxiety, agony and uncertainty in the heads of every one who uses it, plus the magic feature of being able to extend fear uncertainty doubt both backwards and forwards in time, you can carry yesterdays FUD around with you forever. The thing explicit with git is that you will never be right.

so you addressed that with working software or integrated it into the editor so that's a massive win. And as an aside if npm mandates that you to change the version number on every change, then why not just use the timestamp on the main file and not have to update anything at all. Why not just bake git into the filesystem so that git DISAPPEARS which is what good programming is supposed to do anyway.

On the lua front, do you make any use of OpenResty? which is
Lua right at the level of nginx config I always thought that was pretty neat.

[govpack]

the link i was searching for RE AppUp "the biggest app store you never heard about"
Peter Biddle: Plucky rebels: Being agile in an un-agile place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtFHtLP-e20
or where he actually talks about dumpsters musicans, developers, and hat stores
http://youtu.be/S_MKnv41DNs?t=10m48s

"Live Export to Disk" is there, my mistake, weird how i couldn't see it,
i have issues with my own issues, sorry about that

[creationix]

The goal with tedit was very ambitious. I want to make programming accessible again. I teach programming to high-school kids off and on. And let me tell you, our current developer workflows are a real showstopper for most of them. There are just too many hurdles to overcome before someone can start to feel like they are actually doing something.

I still haven't given up on the ideals of tedit, I've just paused the work for a whille. I actually have a really good paying job now working on my open source luvit.io project. I'm integrating some of the tedit and js-git ideas there where it makes sense.